Part II. Awaking in the Dream from the Dream: Why We’re Learning Lucid Dreaming

When most people awake in the morning, they don’t remember their dreams because they jump right back into the program of all the things they need to do that day. They immediately go from delta, which is deep sleep, straight up the brain wave scale to beta, which is thinking and performing tasks. In the process, they don’t have time to slowly transition and gradually climb the ladder of consciousness from delta, to theta, to alpha, to beta. I wanted to give our students enough time to linger in the subconscious states of alpha and theta so that they could begin to awaken the circuity and neuropathways responsible for dream recollection. We’re cultivating these skills for two main reasons.

The first is that if you have a profound lucid inner experience—because experience enriches the brain, and the end-product of an experience is an emotion, and emotions chemically condition the body— the more real the dream, the more you will think the event has already happened, thus the more you will feel like it has happened. Since the body doesn’t know the difference between an experience and a thought, you can literally change your biology, neuro-circuitry, chemistry, hormones, and genes, simply by having an inner event. Science tells us that the environment signals the gene. Thus, if a dream (your inner experience) seems as real or more real than any outer experience in the environment—you can signal new genes in new ways and literally heal from a disease. When you live in your dreams to this extent, it makes sense that you’ve already experienced that reality. (This is when life gets exciting because you’re living less in lack or separation and more in believing and knowing.)

The second reason to develop the skill of lucid dreaming is that if you can begin to wake up in your dream, when it comes time during a meditation to dream your future, you will dream with greater skill and in greater detail, and your dreams (that is, the dreams of your future) will be real to you. In fact, you will become more skilled at consciously creating and directing your dreams while in your subconscious mind.

Imagine that—you would literally be living in that future—and this of course would change your brain and body to a degree equal to that dream, because it will feel like that change has already happened. By consciously directing your dreams, magic starts to happen.


How to Begin Lucid Dreaming

The indigenous aboriginal tribes of Australia believe the dream world is the real world and this physical reality is the dream world. When we begin to inhabit our dreams in a more lucid state, more of our attention and awareness is in that reality and thus so is our energy. Then our day-to-day 3D reality begins to appear more like the actual dream because we are more conscious in the dream world than the ‘real’ 3D world. Imagine your dreams are so real that they appear more real than the reality you are in—this is just one more step in removing another layer of the veil of the illusion that this 3D reality is the dream we’re caught in. Maybe it’s all a dream inside a dream inside a dream, and each time we wake up from a dream, we’re more conscious and aware in the next dream than in this present 3D reality.

While you ponder that conundrum, here’s a few ways you can start training your mind to dream lucidly:

  • Practice allowing your body to relax deeper and deeper but keep your mind awake for as long as you can. Before you drift off, give yourself the suggestion (since the door to the subconscious mind is open) that you remember your dreams.
  • Watch the kaleidoscope before you go to bed, and when you lie down to fall asleep, place your attention and awareness on your pineal gland until you fall asleep.
  • Set an alarm for some time between 1am and 4am. When it goes off, sit up, watch the kaleidoscope or your mind movie for a short period of time, then go back to bed.
  • When you wake up, record your dreams.


How Bad Do You Want It?

Many people say they want the mystical and the unknown, but when it comes down to it, they’d rather have their comfort and their sleep. I wanted to initiate our students into a new understanding by having them linger in the doorway between two dream worlds. While we won’t be doing the lying down meditation like this at every event, all of the previous work we did with the pineal gland meditations (and stimulating the metabolites of melatonin) was a preparation for the lying down meditation we practiced at our advanced follow up in Cabo San Lucas. I took a risk in teaching lucid dreaming at this event, but I think it’s clear by the results and the rewards that the risk was worth it.

I totally understand how you might not want to wake up in the middle of the night. At times, however, if you really want to have a mystical experience, you have to go after it with a greater desire than your desire to stay asleep. Why? Because the scientific truth of the matter is it’s the best time to have a mystical experience because it’s when we have the highest levels of melatonin in our brain, which can then transform into some very powerful metabolites to create interdimensional experience. You can learn more about this in Chapter 12 of my new book Becoming Supernatural: How Common People are Doing the Uncommon.




  1. Lynette T Williams November 11, 2017 at 6:11 pm - Reply

    I’m reading”Becoming Supernatural ” right now 🙂 I’m enjoying it very much ..

  2. Leda Lu Muniz November 11, 2017 at 7:02 pm - Reply

    Thank you for such wisdom.. The advanced follow up in Los Cabos was a great step for us to experience how to go deeper in these realms and become supernatural. Reading with passion Becoming Supernatural, that is a precious treasure ! Thank you !

  3. Marion Clare November 12, 2017 at 2:32 am - Reply

    What if your having stressful dreams? I do remember my dreams in the morning and most of them are NOT very pleasant. (Like im fighting woth someone or something bad has happened ) it has not been a great way to start my day, and i sometimes dread going to sleep . Now i just found out that my cortisol levels are off the charts in the mornings and i wake up feeling horribly sick. Nothing i have been doing seems to be helping to get it under control and i am thinking that maybe my dreams are part of the problem. Any suggestions?

    • Tom November 18, 2017 at 11:53 am - Reply

      I would like this addressed as well. I often wake with physical symptoms of stress, panic and a sense of “sickness” regardless of the prior day’s events or current life situation. What is this about?

    • Sharon November 18, 2017 at 2:34 pm - Reply

      If I were you, I would take a hard look at what’s going on in my waking life that is stressful and needs to change. Dreams can be profound reflections of both what is ailing you and also how to repair it. For example, are you working at a high stress job but make too much money to quit? Are you in a difficult relationship but are too enmeshed to find a way out? Do you have many feelings that you are afraid to express because you may hurt someone else? Do you typically look at life in a negative fashion, focusing on ‘what can go wrong’ instead of ‘what can go right’? I am always thrilled and thankful to get disturbing dreams, as they are invariably messages/clues that I need to do something differently in my waking life. Once you make a change in your waking life that supports your personal preferences, your dreams will change to reflect that. Trust your inner knowing. I am sending my very best wishes to you. I hope this is helpful.

    • Cindy November 19, 2017 at 5:54 am - Reply

      Your dreams are reflecting your disease state. You are obviously stressed; hence the cortisol levels. This isn’t blamed on your dreams. The dreams are a reflection of your stress.

    • Lee November 20, 2017 at 12:46 pm - Reply

      I have the same problem so if anyone knows what to do I’ll be glad to hear

  4. Britta Björn November 12, 2017 at 4:14 pm - Reply

    Nice article! I have followed Dr. Dispenza’s work for awhile. I’m interested in lucid dreaming, spirituality, quantum physics, and how all that connects with each other, so I was excited to see this article. I had my first lucid dreaming about 20 years ago, unintended and not knowing what it was, and induced by a phase of more intense meditation. I have been fascinated by this phenomenon ever since. I created a FB group (Lucid Dreamers and Scientists – The Network for Lucid Dreaming Research) a while ago that explores the scientific side of lucid dreaming; focusing on the recent research done in that field. I’ll add the link in case anyone here may be interested further. Wishing Dr. Dispenza all the success with his continued research and studies; and a big thank you for contributing in making the phenomenon of lucid dreaming more known to the world! 🙂

  5. Meekee November 13, 2017 at 3:07 am - Reply

    Is there any difference between fantasies and lucid dream? With fantasies, you make an effort of creating the environment and emotions with it consciously and believing it in the moment. A person fantasising is always in control. So making an effort to fantasize yourself healthy and free of disease would be helpful I think…thoughts?

    • Kara November 18, 2017 at 7:26 pm - Reply

      I believe this is What Dr. Joe writes about in “You are the Placebo” imagining the future you desire as if its the present…a type of fantasizing…
      Lucid Dreaming is different because in a lucid dream you wake up to your dream reality and you can change it in any way you desire. It literally feels, tastes, smells like the now…more than a fantasy because it’s not imaginary but a “real” experience. I used to lucid dream regularly and I could literally create a person or place with just a thought and live in that moment. It’s like a playground of the mind. Usually I chose to fly and do the magical things.

      • brenda brown November 28, 2017 at 2:19 pm - Reply

        I have had similar experiences! do have fb etc thanks would be good to connect.

  6. Inna November 14, 2017 at 3:45 pm - Reply

    OMG.. I’ve just had both, night paralysis and a lucid dream!!! This is the first time in my life I haven’t been frightened by the former, as yesterday I heard an interview with Dr Joe where he said to surrender to it to a man on the phone asking him about this same “problem”. And a lucid dream happened to me for the second time in my life, (the first was totaly spontaneous a few years ago), but tonight this one was after I’ve followed the instructions in this article!!
    Now my question is: when I wake up in a dream, do I stright away imagine my desired future to happen there and train myself to live the elevated emotions? This time it wasn’t easy to do, as I “was given a scenario” where I was in the beginning of the path for success, not there yet..

  7. Susana Antich November 18, 2017 at 12:34 pm - Reply

    Cuando estara lista la traduccion en español del ultimo libro del dr.Dispenza?

  8. Patrick Bujold November 18, 2017 at 1:13 pm - Reply

    The mystical state is slowly waking up from the dream state whereby the ego insists that the me that thinks it’s awake is real. The sleeping dream state may in fact be closer to the spiritual reality of our Self than what the little self is thinking from moment to moment during “consciousness”. We have imagined, with a powerful vividness that we are separate from one another and separate from Creation. What we agree upon during this dream we call reality. None of this is a sin that needs to be forgiven, it is merely a mistake that needs to be corrected. We are One with All of Creation in the Spirit. When we can recognize that we are making this all up in our Mind, we are free to Be the Love that we are. Shine the light of truth/love and darkness/fear disappears. We are all waking up from the dream we chose, but it is said that we are capable of prolonged procrastination. Joe has helped me re-cognize that what I think “matters” at the level of form is infinitely small in deed.

  9. Allison Payne November 18, 2017 at 1:30 pm - Reply

    I went to the Advanced Follow Up in Los Cabos and since then I really have experienced amazing changes. I’ve almost finished becoming Supernatural and I’m very excited to continue with the incredible changes and experiences. Thank Dr. Joe I love your work.

  10. Phyllis Nadel November 18, 2017 at 3:24 pm - Reply

    I had a lucid dream. In the dream I was with several others, and we were lost, trying to find our way home. When, in the dream, I became aware that I was dreaming, I said to my fellow lost travelers, “Hey, this is a dream. When we wake up, we’ll find that we’re not really lost at all”.What a message from Spirit to let us know that what we are living in our 3 dimensional world is that dream, and that when we really wake up, we’ll find that we’re not really lost at all!!!!
    I love your tape. I meditate with it every day.

  11. Cindy November 19, 2017 at 6:13 am - Reply

    I’ve had lucid dreams my whole life. They are usually bad, as my life has sucked in many ways. Most of the time people were trying to hurt and kill me and many times they succeeded in killing me…. Right at the awful time of death, I wake up in my dream and say “oh no..lets change the ending…”. I then change the ending to be less traumatic. Those dreams were when some bad things were happening to me in real life. I made changes and so now I don’t have those dreams like that, and the lucid dreams are less common now. Recently though, I had a lucid dream where I awoke but just let it play out. It was a first for me; a man loved me. He was with someone else but was to take me to put me on a train. During the ride, we realized we loved eachother, but I told him it couldn’t be because he was with someone else and she was trusting that this wouldn’t happen. My lucid self was saying “Jees, someone finally loves you and you give them up?. I just let it happen, sort of shaking my head. It was a very profound feeling of love and of loss. And my lucid self couldn’t really believe it was happening or that I did what I did in the dream. While still in the dream, at the end, I thought….who was the man that loved me…he seemed familiar but I can’t see his face. Show it to me…. show it to me…. I waited for just a few seconds and instantly saw who it was. Robert Pattinson. 😉 (I could be his mother…but I was much younger in the dream). Oh, oddly, I had a second lucid dream recently, where I watched it play out. I was witnessing myself as a totally different lady. I was whiny and married and apparently living in Great Britain. I realized in the dream, while lucid, that I might very well be witnessing another lifetime of mine. I was shocked at the fact that I knew I watching me, but that I was this odd lady I’d never seen before, in a place I’d never seen before, in a different time, 40’s or 50’s?…with kids…. And I was a little disgusted with her weakness. I was arguing with a traveling vacuum man. I had paid my money and thought I should be getting more services each month…Odd dream.

  12. Brian Fanale November 19, 2017 at 6:22 am - Reply

    you are the man Dr. Joe! Some great tips to condition your body and brain that yes, anybody can become a lucid dreamer… and thus, tune into the ‘real’ world / dream world…

    • admin November 22, 2017 at 9:59 pm - Reply

      Thanks for the thanks Brian..

  13. Therese November 19, 2017 at 7:23 am - Reply

    What Kaleidoscope are you referring to in the article Dr. Joe? I have been recording my dreams for over 30 years and had some awesome experiences. thanks so much for your wonderful work. Helping me cope with a very stressful time

  14. Jane November 19, 2017 at 11:16 am - Reply

    Thank you,
    Always dreaming,

  15. Cat Belue November 19, 2017 at 3:38 pm - Reply

    When I was a teenager, I started having this weird thing happen periodically to me. The first time, it was afternoon and I was lying on the couch about to take a nap. As i started to drift off, all of a sudden i felt this tremendous rush of energy that felt like it was coming from my feet all the way up my body and at the same time, there was a very loud sound inside my brain like a train was bearing down on me but it was coming from within, there was also an extremely sexual component that was exhilarating but I felt like I was being pulled out of my body and since this was so unfamiliar, I thought I was dying and so I fought to stop the feelings, even though I was enjoying it. Over the years, I am now in my 50’s, this phenomenon has periodically happened and I learned to stop fighting it years ago. I’m not sure what is happening and unfortunately I don’t seem to be able to produce it at will-because I would! I don’t know if I am traveling out of body-as a few times I have found my Self transported to other places or just hurling through the cosmos-or if it is some type of dream state or what. For years I told no one because I felt no one would believe me and I didn’t know how to explain it. One time several years ago, my mom told me that she had “had one of those dreams” and she said it felt like she was paralyzed and being raped by a demon and the that the sound in her ears was so loud. Mom was a superstitious and had weird ideas about religion but I think she was accounting the same type thing that was happening to me-I imagine she got the rape idea from the intense sexual nature of it-which now I think is perfectly normal from the energy dump that occurs-it is truly euphoric in a way that transcends normal pleasure as we know it. Anyway, I wonder if you have any idea about this Dr. Joe, I would love to be able to go into this state at will, I can you that! When I attended your Progressive Workshop in Portland this year, the breathe exercise reminded a bit of this dream-astral travel-whatever the heck it is. Thanks for all you are doing to study the brain, clearly there is much more available to us than previously imagined. I am reading Becoming Supernatural and loving it!!

    • Inna November 19, 2017 at 11:32 pm - Reply

      Oh, it’s such a relief to know I’m not alone!!! I didn’t talk about it to many people.. I explained the “sexual component” of the night paralysis to myself as something related to the periodical hormonal changes in the body.. But I really want to understand more about it..

    • Nancy December 19, 2017 at 8:00 pm - Reply

      I have had those exact same experiences–raped by a demon, choked by witches, all sorts of stuff. It reached its peak during a very stressful time in my life and now, 15 years later, I very rarely have lucid dreams at all. Back then there was hardly any information out there (and not so much online yet), so I thought I was alone. Glad to know there are many of us.

  16. Sam November 20, 2017 at 6:48 am - Reply

    When will Becoming Supernatural Be avaialable as an audiobook?

    • admin November 22, 2017 at 9:58 pm - Reply

      Been recorded already. Early next year

      • Sal April 17, 2018 at 9:26 pm - Reply

        It’s on audible in German but not English. Doyle have a date for release please .

  17. Christine November 20, 2017 at 11:14 pm - Reply

    Dr Joe: Can you help me understand something… Having practiced your work over the years I can now lucidly drift into theta, but I’m continuously encountering a malevolent entity there. It is complete evil and it strikes fear in my heart and I wake from fright. This is interfering with my meditations and sleep. Have you ever had such an experience in the state between awake and deep sleep? Any suggestions on what to do? (And no, I’ve never experience anything like this while awake.)

  18. Felix Niland November 22, 2017 at 9:12 am - Reply

    Very cool. So excited to see where this goes.

  19. Christine F. November 26, 2017 at 1:43 pm - Reply

    Thank you very much for this interesting article.
    I have not been in Cabo, but I had a special experience recently at my first Advanced Workshop, at the end of the Pineal Gland Meditation on sunday. I was thinking that I had a lucid dream, but now I know, it must have been something different, because it was not the way you describe lucid dreaming. I was not part of the dream, I was only watching, like a movie, I had no influence at all on what was happening, and I was not in nowhere, I was lying on the ground and was fully awake and aware of that, could feel my body lying on the ground. And still that “movie” was more bright and clear than I see things in every day life! And it was so beautiful!
    I came to this workshop with the wish for healing, and this great experience was given to me.
    Dear Dr. Joe,
    thank you for the work you do, thank you for helping us to learn more about ourselves and the world around us!

  20. Sam November 27, 2017 at 10:28 pm - Reply

    Do i need a kaleidoscope? Or do u mean the minds eye show?

  21. Inna November 30, 2017 at 6:42 am - Reply

    Where can I get the kaleidoscope to watch for this practice?

  22. dee December 4, 2017 at 4:30 am - Reply

    what is kaleidoscope? reference it plz

  23. Diana December 17, 2017 at 4:42 pm - Reply

    The kaleidoscope CD is available for purchase during Advanced Workshops.

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